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john: i am john heilemann. mark: and i am mark halperin. with all due respect to 7-eleven, allegedly donald trump is a wawa man. ♪ mark: we are just one very endless week away from election day. we are in eau claire, wisconsin, where donald trump is holding a rally tonight. questions swirl about whether his narrow path to presidency is maybe widening a bit. they are making a final push for votes everywhere. trump announced today, he is spending $25 million over the next few days for tv ads here in the badger state and other blue
states, including colorado, virginia, michigan, and new mexico. clinton's campaign intern is making six-figure buys in each of the states that seem to save in her column. trump is on a bit of offense here in wisconsin. tim kaine is appearing, bill clinton going to colorado. hillary clinton today had some harsh words for political opponent, and this explanation of why the race might get more negative before it is over. at a rally today, clinton went back to her tried-and-true tactic of this campaign for her, she appeared on stage with the miss universe pageant winner, alicia machado, and brought up the subject of trump and women. mrs. clinton: contestants say donald trump came in to look at them when they were changing. some of them were just 15 years old. we cannot hide from this. we have got to be willing to face it.
this man wants to be president of the united states of america. mark: today, a new abc news washington poll tracking poll has clinton leading by 1% nationally, that is in the margin of error. but oh, the symbolism of trump being ahead. everyone wondering if the revived probe into clinton's e-mails may be doing or damage. her campaign said it raised $11.3 million in the last 72 hours. so john, seven days left. any evidence trump is catching up? john: we are still suffering a little bit from a paucity of polling. we are still trying to figure out what the effect of the comey letter has been. they have trump ahead by one right now.
if you look at the other polling, there is no doubt the race is tightening a little bit. but there is not a compelling case that it is tightening a lot so far. mark: i think the most compelling case would come from the clinton side. they are going back on tv in some of these states and sending surrogates like bill clinton to colorado, tim kaine to wisconsin. it does not mean they are panicking or their numbers are showing a decline. it simply could mean they are being careful. trump is going on offense, why not play defense? we cannot jump to the conclusion that it is decisively meaningful. but it does suggest, if they were the least bit worried about wisconsin or colorado or michigan, they would not be trying to buffer themselves there. it would be focusing on winning north carolina and ending trump's chances. john: one of the things that is
true, the clinton campaign has amassed a really large stockpile of dollars over the last 15, 16, 18 months. we are now to the point where there is no point hanging onto the money. you may as well spend it if you have it. they have always a said the race would be tight. down to the last seven days, do not leave a bullet in the chamber. fire, when it comes to ads. that is what those things are, bullets. mark: you're totally right about the money. if they have enough to flood the airwaves and saturate in the key battlegrounds, of course. it is those visits. bill clinton signed is very valuable. the fact that they are sending him to colorado -- tim kaine's time, very valuable. the fact that they are sending them to wisconsin, shows there keeping an eye on those dates. donald trump said in a conference call with the press, their path involves winning the big four, florida, ohio, north
carolina -- they might find a replacement here in wisconsin, maybe. john: the other thing that is clear, we are not anymore talking about georgia or texas or the democrats trying to expand the map. there is no question about that. today is november the first, which obviously means it is the first day of open enrollment for obamacare. this comes just a week after news that some people will see shocking rate hikes. at least, substantial rate hikes, with fewer insurance options under the affordable care act next year. for trump, this is a gift in the final stretch of the election. in king of prussia, pennsylvania, trump and mike pence called for health care reform policies. they want the ability for americans to shop for insurance plans across state lines. >> before it was called obamacare, it was called hillarycare. even former president bill clinton said, costs are going
up. coverage is going down. it is the craziest thing in the world. i guess even when the clintons, sometimes truth happens. president obama said, here is the quote "when one of these companies comes out with a new smart phone that has bugs, what do they do? they fix it, they upgrade it. unless it catches fire, then they pull it off the market." [laughter] >> what a coincidence, mr. president. that is exactly what we are going to do with obamacare, we are going to pull it off the market so it stops burning up our wallets. mr. trump: the president said, if you like your plan, you can keep your plan. if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. which may go down as one of the great political lies of the century. she wants to put the government totally in charge of health care in america. if we do not repeal and replace
obamacare, we will destroy american health care forever. it is one of the single most important reasons why we must win on november 8. john: there has not been much polling about how news of these rate hikes are affecting the popularity of obamacare. but mark, is your view at this point, that this is a sleeper issue that might make a real difference in the presidential race? mark: that seems to be the view of the republicans. they have hammered on the affordable care act since it passed. the polling as we have discussed is more negative than positive about the law. it certainly energizes the republican base and unites all republicans, really. unites a lot of independents, particularly businesspeople. the trump campaign claims this issue is turning things in their favor. i think an issue involving the real lives of real people -- even though the coverage is
overstated, the extent of the hikes and the problem, i think this may be the sleeper issue that republicans rise through direct mail and digital, etc., to an advantage with a lot of voters. john: i disagree for a couple reasons. one, if there was a time when obamacare would be a decisive issue, it should have been in 2012. we saw it happen there, it did not sink obama then, it was more unpopular then. mark: that was because romney was a horrible messenger. john: is trump a great messenger on this, i do not think so. i point out he was lying gratuitously in that clip where he said hillary clinton wants the government to take over all health care in america, that is blatantly false. the other thing that is true, you're right. obamacare is more unpopular than it is popular. but the numbers -- it is not that much more unpopular. the split between favorable and unfavorable is only a few points.
it has been really stable for now two or three years. high 40's versus low to mid 40's. i do not think what happened last week would rapidly change that to the point where it would matter on election day. mark: let me be clear, i do not think it is a silver bullet. it will not be a huge game changer. between bill clinton and wikileaks, the comey comments, and health care, health care may be the one that is helping trump the most. john: i will take that under advisement, as your doctor. up next, a trump tale. ♪
john: there has been a truckload of unhappy headlines for trump in the last 24 to 36 hours. lucky us, they fit nicely into two categories. one has to do with finances. but first, mother russia. over the past 24 hours we have heard four different reports examining ties between what mitt romney likes to call our biggest geopolitical foe. we have mother jones, citing a spy. that story says the fbi received an investigation about the russian government allegedly trying to co-opt and help trump over the past five years. nbc news ran a story that says federal authorities have been looking into former trump campaign chairman paul manafort's business deals in russia. meanwhile, slate says the computer scientist have been
looking into possible to indications between a server belonging to trump and two servers registered to a major russian bank. the new york times yesterday knocked it down that theory. the fbi has been looking into multiple leaves between trump and russia, including the server business. no evidence has emerged linking the gop candidate to the russians. a mouthful that i just read. at some of these reports contradict each other. all have been denied. my questions to you are the following. is there any there there, and if so, doesn't matter to the outcome of this presidential race? mark: after the election, the press will have to do soul-searching of their failure to pursue these trump stories of the last year and a half. a lot of stories did not get enough coverage that should've gone from print to television. in this bundle of stories,'s trump praise of putin, his
refusal to disclose tax returns, those are the big russian stories that have tangibility. this swirl of stories probably will not matter much. based on what we know, i am not sure any of them do. if they turn out to be true, it is a huge deal. but there is not enough there right now. john: i agree with almost everything you just said. it is one of the great outrages of this campaign, and there have been many of them, the donald trump did not put out his tax returns. as much as we have called for it, we could not get any leverage. mark: the world should come to a halt. john: it would have been nice if it had. a big part of the reason why, because we really want to know. is donald trump in bed with russia? does he owe them money? such a strange, consistent fondness for vladimir putin.
given that the russians, according to all national security agencies responsible for these hacks, trying to influence our election this way, we should really no more about a lot of the things that these stories glance at and get at. this is something that still feels really, really suspicious to me. mark: when trump failed to denounce putin when asked about his murdering of journalists, i really do think in a campaign filled with a low points, that was really one of the low point. for someone who claims the mantle of ronald reagan and wants to associate himself with ronald reagan, to have responded the way he did. i think trump's overall meta-relationship with russia is a big deal. but i do not know any of these stories in the context of the comey thing will break through. john: i will add to the low point, the notion we have a
republican nominee saying vladimir putin is a better, stronger leader then the president of the united states, barack obama. an outrageous thing. i hope someone will look into this conflict between the new york times and that slate story because if the slate story is true, that is really damning, the idea of a russian server connected to a bank. i do not understand how those stories could come to such different conclusions on that front. mark: confusing. here is something also confusing. donald trump's financial dealings making news again in the presidential race. another new york times story, documents report donald trump used a sketchy tax avoidance maneuver around the time the atlantic city casinos were filing for bankruptcy.
the move would have saved trump tens of millions of dollars in federal income tax. the documents obtained by the times show even trump's own gambit legally questionable. two other stories on along the same lines, washington post had another story that came out amidst the comey comment. it raises more questions about trump's charitable giving claims. the other washington post story, about trump refusing or reevaluating payment to his campaign pollster, tony fabrizio. is there any there there, and will any of the matter in the last week? john: i think the new york times piece, in terms of the detail, the second piece of theirs that suggests donald trump has played the tax system in a way that no normal human being could, and has avoided paying taxes for
many, many years. i think that story is as devastating, maybe more than the first one. it suggests he could have not paid taxes for many, many years. donald trump is hiding his tax returns. we just talked about this. he is hiding them for a reason. it now seems to be circumstantially clear, the reason is, he has not paid basically any taxes for a really long time. he understands the political damage from that would be huge. and he is willing to take the damage of not being disclosed of rather than laying it bear. i am glad of the times has been on this story. this is the kind of thing that is disqualifying as anything else he has done. mark: i urge voters to read the washington post story. they are all really interesting, they give you a fuller picture of donald trump. i do not think any of them will
be game changers in the last week, but they are important. good for them to continue to pursue investigative journalism all the way through. i will say again, for republicans and others that do not like the fact that donald trump is the nominee, we all need to wonder and ask ourselves, how could they not have found this stuff? john: a swing through the polling jungle with our favorite survey monkey man. ♪
polls. here is our next guest, the senior vp of survey research at surveymonkey. the latest poll, along with nbc news, shows clinton with a six point lead in the four-way. we had him on a few weeks ago when he had a rosy projection for hillary clinton. there was talk of her breaking 300 electoral votes, etc. we are one e-mail bombshell later, how are things looking? >> as you said, we were thinking, could she reach 400? now we are talking about how she needs to solidify past 270. in today's map we released, she is at 262. she has to recover to get past 270. john: is this driven by the comey letter, or a natural tightening? >> we're doing a seven-day track, three and a half days
pre and post. we do not yet know if we are looking at noise or not. at the state level, we are looking at small changes. she is a little ahead some tossup states. if she gets them all, she will be well into the 300s again. right now, the map looks different. the main issue is, the e-mail issue is a bad one for her. 83% of likely voters think it was inappropriate she used a private e-mail server when she was secretary of state. when the attention is on her, with her historic unpopularity, she is more vulnerable. on the flipside, you talk about the stories in your last segment about donald trump. when the focus is on him, he suffers. he has unfavorability ratings just as high as hers. mark: i am here in wisconsin where trump and pence are coming in just a bit. we saw them yesterday in new mexico. is your sense of these states have moved it all, and the trump campaign has a reasonable chance of winning one or more of them?
or is this desperation because they cannot find 270 electoral votes? >> we have wisconsin closer than anybody else, clinton up only a single percentage points. that is down from leaning in her direction a few days ago. we have to see over the coming days if it is truly in the tossup category. it is certainly vulnerable. and it makes the turnout and focus for the clinton campaign -- 15% of clinton's own voters think the e-mail issue and the reopening of the fbi issue is a major issue to discuss, not simply a distraction. john: last time when we talked about the 400 electoral vote question for clinton, we talked about expansion/reach states, like texas and georgia. are those now off the table for clinton, or are they still in sight?
>> as of today, texas is off the table, but georgia and arizona are still there. but now they are focused on wisconsin and even michigan, where data shows it is a tossup. there is some softening in colorado and north carolina, which she needs to shore up in the final days. john: it is such a weird race. >> we have trump a few points over clinton, and a few more over mcmullen, but he has gained momentum over the coming weeks. mark: take a moment to explain to people the methodology surveymonkey uses. >> the key to any good survey is a good, random sample. we have the luxury of 3 million respondents a day that are sent out by friends that you may have, what to bring to a
barbecue -- your employer, we are doing random sampling on the back of those surveys and getting estimates on a rolling basis. we have interviewed about one million people over the course of this campaign and now we are doing daily in the states. it is unprecedented, as far as polling goes. we are not only doing 50 states, but a little while ago results in all 34 senate races and we put in major effort. we are sharing those learnings on a daily basis. mark: how would you evaluate donald trump's chances of winning 270 electoral votes? >> extraordinarily slim. there is no uncertainty in the contest. mark: thank you very much. you just heard about the numbers in this contest. we will talk about the strategy. ♪
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>> that's an interesting question. >> thank you. i have a lot of them. >> i think the equivalent will be she is tired, she is moody, she is being emotional. samantha: there's something about her? president obama: when men are ambitious it is taken for granted that they should be ambitious. when women are ambitious, why? theme will continue throughout her presidency and it has contributed to this notion that somehow she is hiding something. [laughter] john: that was president obama with samantha bee last night. what did you think about that? >> he is always entertaining. she's a talented comedian. john: tell me about where you
think the race is right now. you are here representing the trump campaign manager we have been talking about it half the show. guest: we can all agree it is tightening in mr. trump's favor. we saw a huge swing where we were down about 13 points and now up one. in swing states, it is a deadly. she's losing her lead in virginia. it's not looking good for hillary clinton. guest: there's no doubt that the numbers have tightened. we remain confident and all the battlegrounds. there's a lot for mr. trump to overcome, put aside the story regarding mr. comey. the facts of the race don't change in the positions they the direction they want to take the country, none of that has changed. you saw hillary clinton is best positioned to lead the country to make us safer and stronger and more prosperous. nothing has changed between now and last wednesday that would cause any voter to say i don't believe she's capable of doing that.
john: we talked earlier about the panoply of negative headlines and bad stories some , related to russia, some related to other financial matters. if you were running the clinton campaign, which your not, what would you want to focus on to drive the narrative over the course of the next six or seven days? guest: the fact mr. trump refuses to release tax returns, the fact that mr. trump has had business dealings where he has had old partners saying i don't feel like i was treated fairly by him. i would focus there if i were her. i would take the last few days and make it where i would want to take the country. the mandate she's going to have is predicated not only making clear why donald trump is unfit o be president -- that narrative is out there.
the narrative has to be put out there. for her to have a mandate, she has to remind people about infrastructure spending and remind the class family that this is about empowering youth are making health care more affordable and making health care more central and more education options. then i'm ready to grow this economy in a way and build on the successes of the last eight years. john: do you want to respond to that? >> i have to disagree with the with all due respect -- no pun intended. i think the last few days have changed things for voters. when we have hundreds of thousands of e-mails that have ended up on anthony weiner's laptop, a man of dubious character how could this person , be elected to serve at the highest levels of office? she's already shown herself being unable to do that and this proves it. as far as the mandate, mr. trump has been traveling across the country, laying out specific plans, even plans on issues as
detailed as combating the heroin epidemic we face in this country. i don't hear hillary clinton speaking about that. on job, trade, immigration, border security. i remember reading an independent article is that hillary is a great candidate, but a policy free one. i thought that was an astute observation. she always speaks in these vague platitudes about raising wages, but it's almost policy and specific free. john: she has about 800 pages on her website compared to about 100 on yours. she does -- a fair amount of detail which you guys have not. , guest: her immigration policy is frightening to any american concerned about immigration and safety at the border. guest: i think one unfair thing to say is that she has not been
un-specific about her policies. she's probably been to specific and drawn voters to think she's not an exciting candidate. guest: do you take credit for obamacare, which has proven to be a disaster this month. she is -- she's indicated she's ready to fix part of it and so is president obama. guest: she recently tweeted that before they called obamacare, they called it hillarycare. it is on her. she owned it. guest: one thing they want to do is ensure that the millions of americans that have insurance now will continue. i will take that come and brace that. does it need to be fixed going forward? president clinton will do it. john: here comes mark. mark: is there any way to look at the fact that bill clinton has gone to colorado and a clinton campaign is going up with paid media in those states. is there any reason to read that except concern from the clinton campaign that trump may be threatening in those states? guest: we are at the end of the campaign and they understand
that turnout matters. you can read what you may want to read into it, but i don't think there's any doubt the race has tightened. i think if you would ask a lot of clinton operatives if they were surprised by this, i think most would say no. there's no doubt they were surprised by the way mr. comey decided to inform congress and voters as to what he was doing and the way in which he described it so i don't deny , that. but i don't think anyone should be surprised that our top operatives and campaign principles are out in the most competitive of states. i read it as we need to win the state and we send our best people there. mark: i know you have been asked this before. mr. trump does not want to releases tax returns because he says he's under audit. why can he releases his income, his effective federal tax rate and charitable collection , amounts? guest: because that is all intertwined with the audit. mark with all due respect, the , only tax return that matters to the american voter is my own
and those of my friends and family. it is only donald trump has a plan to put more money in our those jobs wen have lost and create more jobs. , it's an issue for the media that is intent on bringing down mr. trump what a silliness of the tax returns. we are too concerned about our own tax returns. mark: releasing those numbers have nothing to do with the audit. i urge you to ask him to release those so people can have more information as they have had about every general election candidate. why would those have any implications for the audit? guest: i would never suggest someone to really set. i can't believe we are discussing this rather than the e-mails that ended up on anthony weiner's laptop. mark: we are discussing both. we have less than 30 seconds. what will the headline be the day after the election? guest: clinton wins and mandate is understood.
raise wages and empower the middle class. guest: people's champion wins in wins.slide -- america a typical clinton cheat over here. you said one headline per person. mark: wow. john: she keeps saying with all due respect, but i don't think she knows what that phrase means. i don't think either one of you should be in the headline writing business. thank you both for coming on. coming up, we have the great john ralston, next. and if you are watching us in , washington d c, you can listen to us on the radio radio at 99.1 , fm. we will be right back. ♪
♪ mark: back in wisconsin in time for our very own customized ralston report. with us is john ralston the , editor of the eponymous ralston report and a contributing editor at the politico. john welcome. , what is going on in the u.s. reid's race for harry reid seat and how is that impacting potentially the presidential race? guest: that's a very good question. i have two tell you this is the most amazing senate race i've covered and you guys know i've covered everyone since 1986. it's going to be a $100 million race with more outside spending than i have ever seen, and i think it can really go either way. essentially, it boils down to
joe heck, joe heck versus harry reid. harry reid has in all over this race on the background on one side and in the foreground on the republican side. while the early voting numbers don't look good for the republicans, remember what happened in 2012 -- obama won the state by seven and dean heller pulled out the senate race by 12,000 votes. mark: is the fact that the senate race competitive, the kind of coalition the two senate candidates are trying to put together, does that advantage either of the candidates? guest: i think they are totally divorced from each other in many ways and not just because heck , divorced himself from trump which initially caused a lot of , problems, even his campaign would admit, but doesn't now. the coordinated campaign between the hillary clinton campaign and the harry reid democratic machine has been so focused on getting out the democratic base, which i think is going 90% for
clinton, and from what i understand, heck is mirroring trump, which is a real problem for him. the entire heck strategy is knowing they are going early voting, hope to minimize loss, and then win on election day by four or five points. little margin for error. john: i want to get a little more altitude on the discussion on the presidential race. somehow nevada has become one of the key states for donald trump to have a path to get 270 electoral votes. if you look at barack obama has victories in 2008 and 2012, you would not have thought nevada would be up there with places , much whiter ohio states. you would not have thought it would be one of the keys to trump winning, yet he is competitive there. explain to me why.
>> it's a very good question and what i would say about that is is he competitive here? i always thought the state leans towards clinton for the reasons that you mentioned. the hispanic vote will probably be about 20%, but i always go back to what trump said the night he won the caucus and looked at the exit polling and was almost surprised. he said that none of us would say aloud look what how we did , among the poorly educated. i love the poorly educated. nevada has a lot of poorly educated folks, there is no doubt about it, but i don't think there is a path here for trump unless there's a total implosion in the early voting numbers in the last four days, but they must have polling that shows that because they are continuing to campaign hard here with surrogates, including the great jon voight appearance tomorrow. john: you are looking forward to that, i'm sure. the reality is not only spending time there but the polling has , seesawed back and forth.
it has suggested that trump is ahead in some pulling their, and it has been tighter than you would have expected. what explains the fact that it is even in play? i would have thought given the demographic trends that this would have been put away for hillary clinton in the way colorado seemed to have been put away months ago. guest: i think that is a reasonable assumption. let's assume that the polls are right, and i am not sure that is a good assumption. you guys and i have talked about polling in nevada for years. it is not good here. polls difficult to here. you will get some sophisticated democrats who acknowledge this -- hillary clinton is not to barack obama. there was real excitement, enthusiasm. the base got out enthusiastically to vote for barack obama in 2008 and 2012. there was much more dragging out of homes, having the bus people -- to bus people, doing things they didn't do before. there is more registration and groups on the ground than there
ever have been before. and, there is one other phenomenon going on here, in the early voting, young african-americans are not getting out to vote in the numbers they did in 2008 and 2012. mark: the great john ralston, thank you. we will check in again with you soon i hope. up next, while the media is inhered here and o wisconsin here tonight we , wrestled two of them to the ground and had them join us. that come after these words rum -- from our sponsors. ♪
news, katie tur who is inside the event and kevin cirilli. , one of the advantages you have is you see the guy every day. where do you think his head is now his inner confidence that , he can win or will win? kevin: ever since the fbi announcing the investigation, i've noticed a change in the candidate himself. just when that broke, we were all over the country in the past three days. you've definitely seen a new energy. there has definitely been a shift since the last time i was here and the accusations from all those women had come out. mark: i get why we see trump and mike pence in pennsylvania doing the affordable care act today,
but why are they together in wisconsin as opposed to fanning out? katie: they needed to find a way to get those suburban women to join trump and they feel like , the best ally they have now is whornor mike pence, so better to come out and hammer through these policy points? it is interesting that they are so laser focused on the affordable health care act. as you and i have been talking about how donald trump should have been hammering the wikileaks stuff more, but he keeps straying from it and it seems like some he finally got to his ear and is telling him to stay on these issues and could , potentially help him gain ground through next week. governor pence was with him and is staying with him in pennsylvania. pennsylvania more than wisconsin is a must win state. if they don't get pennsylvania, it's hard to see what the path to 270 is.
right now they are struggling, especially amongst suburban women in the suburbs in philadelphia. mark: the trump campaign says scott walker will be here tonight. who has been traveling with him lately? how are they doing at getting the republican politician support on the trail at clinton gets from the democrats? kevin: you are seeing people like rudy giuliani and bobby knight. you are also seeing some of his campaign advisers like jerod kircher and stephen miller, his senior policy advisor. i would say on the affordable health care act, if you talk to senior advisers, they almost view this as a secret weapon of sorts. if you go to these battleground states, obamacare is incredibly unpopular.
particularly as these new reports of increasing premiums come up. they are trying to showcase a more substantive side as donald trump as he makes his closing arguments. mark: we are all braced to see if anything else breaks. you feel like the trump campaign is in the mode of hoping there's more wikileaks disclosures or are they comfortable with the hand that they have? katie: i think they are happy with the hand they have now and . i'm not sure comfortable is the right word, and i'm not sure if anybody could say anything else is going to break in the next seven days. the fbi revival of that investigation was a surprise. so, comfortable is also not a word i would use, but i would say they are hopeful going forward and if they are able to focus on this fbi revival, they are focused on the premiums rising in obamacare and its
unpopularity in the suburbs of philadelphia. but also, the rigged system and using the donna brazile-cnn, potentially giving questions to hillary clinton for the cnn debate. using that as an example of a rigged system. they are able to not necessarily get more folks into their tent, but make sure that republicans out there who have been unsure of donald trump come home to the republican party and vote the ticket all the way through. those who have been uncomfortable with trump, if they say if hillary clinton gets in office, she could potentially face an indictment. they are hoping that that is going to convince those that are outliers who are saying i have to vote for donald
trump. i have to do it because i can't let hillary clinton get into office. that said, it's a very high hurdle for him to overcome. paul ryan is not here. it is a pretty notable snub. john kasich voted for john mccain and wrote him in on his ballot. the gulf between donald trump mark halperin -- donald trump and some more moderate republicans or traditional republicans is still pretty vast and it is something not even disdain for hillary clinton can help bridge. mark: we will see you there in a second. thank you both. when we come back, final words, right after this. ♪
john: all right head over to , bloomberg politics.com and read about how the campaigns, donald trump and hillary clinton are lawyering up. the possibility of election over time. tomorrow, mark and i will both be on the road. i'm going to utah. it will be fun. we've got something coming up on bloomberg technology -- it's going to be a blockbuster week in tech earnings. until tomorrow, for me in new york and mark in wisconsin, we say to you, sayonara. ♪